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Verschil tussen moreel en sociaal


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Geplaatst op 29 november 2009 - 13:06

Hoi,
weet iemand wat het verschil is tussen moreel en sociaal? Als ik kijk naar het verschil tussen morele ontwikkeling en sociale ontwikkeling, maar hier zie ik bijna tot geen verschil in.
Ik hoor het wel (:

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Geplaatst op 29 november 2009 - 14:54

Een schaatser die denkt Sven deze keer wel te kunnen verslaan voelt zich moreel sterk. Een schaatser die denkt dat dat toch nooit gaat lukken voelt zich moreel zwak.

Bedoel je moraal of moreel?
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moreel

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Geplaatst op 29 november 2009 - 16:51

weet iemand wat het verschil is tussen moreel en sociaal? Als ik kijk naar het verschil tussen morele ontwikkeling en sociale ontwikkeling, maar hier zie ik bijna tot geen verschil in.

Ik kan je geen pasklaar antwoord geven, het hangt er ondermeer van af, denk ik, welke definitie je voor beide hanteert.
Wel denk ik dat het je kan helpen de volgende (lange) tekst eens door te nemen:
http://www.answers.c...ral-development

Vanuit de theorie van Kohlberg over morele ontwikkeling, kan je het als volgt stellen, denk ik:
in het preconventionele en postconventionele stadium, zijn het niet de sociale regels die de morele normen van de persoon bepalen.
- In het preconventionele stadium gaat het kind bv. gemakkelijk in tegen z'n ouders (z'n sociale omgeving die de sociale normen oplegt) die stellen dat hij moet eerlijk delen. Hij laat zich daarentegen leiden door egoÔsme (waar haal ik het meeste voordeel uit).
- in het postconventionele stadium, zal men zelf gaan beoordelen wat men over de sociale regels vindt. Zo iemand kan ingaan tegen z'n sociale groep, kan bv. een wet overtreden omdat hij gelooft dat z'n overtreding een hoger moreel doel dient.
- in het conventionele stadium (het woord zegt het zelf al: conventies staat voor sociale conventies, afspraken tussen groepen), zal de persoon wel datgene volgen wat z'n groep hem voorschrijft. Hij beschouwt de sociale conventies als morele regels.

Verder quote ik een aantal fragmenten uit de tekst die ik aanhaalde, die het verschil verder uitdiepen:

CONVENTIONAL LEVEL. This level broadens the scope of human wants and needs. Children in this level are concerned about being accepted by others and living up to their expectations. This stage begins around age 10 but lasts well into adulthood, and is the stage most adults remain at throughout their lives.Stage three, Interpersonal Conformity, is often called the "good boy/good girl" stage. Here, children do the right thing because it is good for the family, peer group, team, school, or church. They understand the concepts of trust, loyalty, and gratitude. They abide by the Golden Rule as it applies to people around them every day. Morality is acting in accordance to what the social group says is right and moral.

Stage four is the Law and Order, or Social System and Conscience stage. Children and adults at this stage abide by the rules of the society in which they live. These laws and rules become the backbone for all right and wrong actions. Children and adults feel compelled to do their duty and show respect for authority. This is still moral behavior based on authority, but reflects a shift from the social group to society at large.

POST-CONVENTIONAL LEVEL. Some teenagers and adults move beyond conventional morality and enter morality based on reason, examining the relative values and opinions of the groups with which they interact. Few adults reach this stage.

Correct behavior is governed by the sixth stage, the Social Contract and Individual Rights stage. Individuals in this stage understand that codes of conduct are relative to their social group. This varies from culture to culture and subgroup to subgroup. With that in mind, the individual enters into a contract with fellow human beings to treat them fairly and kindly and to respect authority when it is equally moral and deserved. They also agree to obey laws and social rules of conduct that promote respect for individuals and value the few universal moral values that they recognize. Moral behavior and moral decisions are based on the greatest good for the greatest number.

Stage six is the Principled Conscience or the Universal/Ethical Principles stage. Here, individuals examine the validity of society's laws and govern themselves by what they consider to be universal moral principles, usually involving equal rights and respect. They obey laws and social rules that fall in line with these universal principles, but not others they deem as aberrant. Adults here are motivated by individual conscience that transcends cultural, religious, or social convention rules. Kohlberg recognized this last stage but found so few people who lived by this concept of moral behavior that he could not study it in detail.
...
- Self-oriented morality
coincided with Kohlberg's pre-conventional morality. Behavior is based on self-interest and motivated by who can help children get what they want or who is hindering that process.This stage was found in all children and some adults in all cultures.
- Authority-oriented morality
again is similar to Kohlberg's Law and Order stage. This applies not only to parents' rules but to teachers, religious leaders, and government officials. This moral orientation was culturally defined. It was very evident in Middle Eastern cultures where religious authority is the law.
- Peer-authority morality is moral conformity based on the conventions and rules of a social group. This is evident among teenagers in Western cultures and even among some adults.


Het onderscheid is niet steeds zo duidelijk: sommigen beweren dat moraliteit gewoonweg gelijk is aan de cultuur (sociale normen ed.)

Each society develops its own set of norms and standards for acceptable behavior, leading many to say that morality is entirely culturally conditioned. There is debate over whether or not this means that there are no universal truths, and no cross-cultural standards for human behavior.This debate fuels the critiques of many moral development theories.


Andere theorieŽn ivm. moraliteit:

According to personal (social) goal theory, moral behavior is motivated by the desire to satisfy a variety of personal and social goals, some of which are self-oriented (selfish), and some of which are other-oriented. The four major internal motivations for moral behavior as presented by personal (social) goal theorists are: 1) moral (e.g., welfare, justice, rights); 2) the belief that people are valuable in and of themselves and therefore should be helped; 3) the desire to fulfill moral rules; and 4) self-interest.
In social domain theory, moral reasoning is said to develop within particular social domains: 1) moral (e.g., welfare, justice, rights); 2) social-conventional (social rules for the function of society); and 3) personal (pure self-interest,
from social or moral rules).

Most people have more than one moral voice and shift among them depending on the situation. In one context, a person may respond out of empathy and place care for an individual over concern for social rules. In a different context, that same person might instead insist on following social rules for the good of society, even though someone may suffer because of it.


Ik weet er wel een deel van af, maar ik ben zeker geen specialist ter zake. Dus bekijk de zaken die ik aanhaal zeker ook nog eens kritisch. Misschien kan iemand anders ze bovendien nog aanvullen.

Dido

Veranderd door Dido, 29 november 2009 - 17:00

Ik ben niet jong genoeg om alles te weten...
-Oscar Wilde-





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