Springen naar inhoud

President Ahmadinejad spreekt!


  • Log in om te kunnen reageren

#1

PNCO

    PNCO


  • >250 berichten
  • 657 berichten
  • Ervaren gebruiker

Geplaatst op 15 mei 2006 - 19:30

Ondanks dat ik het artikel heb ingekort, is het nog steeds een aardige lap text geworden. Let dus vooral op het dikgedrukte!

Wat ik vreemd vind, is dat meneer eerst praat over Israël en de niet-bestaande legitiemheid van de stichting van de staat Israël en vervolgens met het verhaal aan komt zetten dat de wereld beter af is, wanneer we ipv in wapens en in olie handelen, gewoon de mensen gaan helpen.

Verder heeft hij een aantal punten waarvoor wat te zeggen valt; echter heb ik moeite met het feit dat hij Iran dus los ziet van Amerika. "Amerika moet maar veranderen, wij blijven onze koers volgen"
Dit vind een rare beredenatie die ik dan ook niet kan volgen.

Wat denken jullie van deze brief?

PNCO

In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
 
Mr. George Bush,
President of the United States of America,
For sometime now I have been thinking, how one can justify the undeniable contradictions that exist in the international arena – which are being constantly debated, especially in political forums and amongst university students. Many questions remain unanswered. These have prompted me to discuss some of the contradictions and questions, in the hope that it might bring about an opportunity to redress them.
   
Can one be a follower of Jesus Christ (PBUH), the great Messenger of God, feel obliged to respect human rights, present liberalism as a civilization model, announce one’s opposition to the proliferation of nuclear weapons and WMDs, make “War on Terror” his slogan, and finally, work towards the establishment of a unified international community – a community which Christ and the virtuous of the Earth will one day govern, but at the same time, have countries attacked. The lives, reputations and possessions of people destroyed and on the slight chance of the presence of a few criminals in a village, city, or convoy for example, the entire village, city or convoy set ablaze.

[..]  

On the pretext of the existence of WMDs, this great tragedy came to engulf both the peoples of the occupied and the occupying country. Later it was revealed that no WMDs existed to begin with.
 
Of course Saddam was a murderous dictator. But the war was not waged to topple him, the announced goal of the war was to find and destroy weapons of mass destruction. He was toppled along the way towards another goal; nevertheless the people of the region are happy about it. [/b]I point out that throughout the many years of the imposed war on Iran, Saddam was supported by the West.[/b] 
Mr. President,
You might know that I am a teacher. My students ask me how can these actions be reconciled with the values outlined at the beginning of this letter and duty to the tradition of Jesus Christ (PBUH), the Messenger of peace and forgiveness? There are prisoners in Guantanamo Bay that have not been tried, have no legal representation, their families cannot see them and are obviously kept in a strange land outside their own country. There is no international monitoring of their conditions and fate. No one knows whether they are prisoners, POWs, accused or criminals.
 
[..]
 
Throughout history many countries have been occupied, but I think the establishment of a new country with a new people, is a new phenomenon that is exclusive to our times.
 
Students are saying that sixty years ago such a country did not exist. They show old documents and globes and say try as we have, we have not been able to find a country named Israel.

[..]

Again let us assume that these events are true. Does that logically translate into the establishment of the state of Israel in the Middle East or support for such a state? How can this phenomenon be rationalized or explained?
 
Mr. President,
I am sure you know how – and at what cost – Israel was established:
 
Many thousands were killed in the process.  
Millions of indigenous people were made refugees.  
Hundreds of thousands of hectares of farmland, olive plantations, towns and villages were destroyed.  
This tragedy is not exclusive to the time of establishment; unfortunately it has been ongoing for sixty years now.
 
[..]
 
Another big question asked by the people is “why is this regime being supported?” Is support for this regime in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ (PBUH) or Moses (PBUH) or liberal values? Or are we to understand that allowing the original inhabitants of these lands – inside and outside Palestine – whether they are Christian, Moslem or Jew, to determine their fate, runs contrary to principles of democracy, human rights and the teachings of prophets? If not, why is there so much opposition to a referendum? The newly elected Palestinian administration recently took office. All independent observers have confirmed that this government represents the electorate. Unbelievingly, they have put the elected government under pressure and have advised it to recognize the Israeli regime, abandon the struggle and follow the programs of the previous government.
 
[..]
 
Mr. President, As you are well aware, I live amongst the people and am in constant contact with them – many people from around the Middle East manage to contact me as well. They do not have faith in these dubious policies either. There is evidence that the people of the region are becoming increasingly angry with such policies.
 
[..]
 
Lies were told in the Iraqi matter. What was the result? I have no doubt that telling lies is reprehensible in any culture, and you do not like to be lied to.
 
Mr. President,
Don’t Latin Americans have the right to ask why their elected governments are being opposed and coup leaders supported? Or, Why must they constantly be threatened and live in fear? The people of Africa are hardworking, creative and talented. They can play an important and valuable role in providing for the needs of humanity and contribute to its material and spiritual progress. Poverty and hardship in large parts of Africa are preventing this from happening. Don’t they have the right to ask why their enormous wealth – including minerals – is being looted, despite the fact that they need it more than others? Again, do such actions correspond to the teachings of Christ and the tenets of human rights? The brave and faithful people of Iran too have many questions and grievances, including:the coup d’etat of 1953 and the subsequent toppling of the legal government of the day, opposition to the Islamic revolution, transformation of an Embassy into a headquarters supporting the activities of those opposing the Islamic Republic (many thousands of pages of documents corroborate this claim), support for Saddam in the war waged against Iran, the shooting down of the Iranian passenger plane, freezing the assets of the Iranian nation, increasing threats, anger and displeasure vis-à-vis the scientific and nuclear progress of the Iranian nation  

[..]
 
All governments have a duty to protect the lives, property and good standing of their citizens. Reportedly your government employs extensive security, protection and intelligence systems – and even hunts its opponents abroad. September eleven was not a simple operation. Could it be planned and executed without coordination with intelligence and security services – or their extensive infiltration? Of course this is just an educated guess. Why have the various aspects of the attacks been kept secret? Why are we not told who botched their responsibilities? And, why aren’t those responsible and the guilty parties identified and put on trial? All governments have a duty to provide security and peace of mind for their citizens. For some years now, the people of your country and neighbors of world trouble spots do not have peace of mind. After 9.11, instead of healing and tending to the emotional wounds of the survivors and the American people – who had been immensely traumatized by the attacks – some Western media only intensified the climate of fear and insecurity – some constantly talked about the possibility of new terror attacks and kept the people in fear. Is that service to the American people? Is it possible to calculate the damages incurred from fear and panic? American citizens lived in constant fear of fresh attacks that could come at any moment and in any place. They felt insecure in the streets, in their place of work and at home. Who would be happy with this situation? Why was the media, instead of conveying a feeling of security and providing peace of mind, giving rise to a feeling of insecurity? Some believe that the hype paved the way – and was the justification – for an attack on Afghanistan. Again I need to refer to the role of media.
 
In media charters, correct dissemination of information and honest reporting of a story are established tenets. I express my deep regret about the disregard shown by certain Western media for these principles. The main pretext for an attack on Iraq was the existence of WMDs. This was repeated incessantly – for the public to finally believe – and the ground set for an attack on Iraq.
 
[..]

The question here is “what has the hundreds of billions of dollars, spent every year to pay for the Iraqi campaign, produced for the citizens?” As Your Excellency is aware, in some states of your country, people are living in poverty. Many thousands are homeless and unemployment is a huge problem. Of course these problems exist – to a larger or lesser extent – in other countries as well. With these conditions in mind, can the gargantuan expenses of the campaign – paid from the public treasury – be explained and be consistent with the aforementioned principles? What has been said, are some of the grievances of the people around the world, in our region and in your country. But my main contention – which I am hoping you will agree to some of it – is: Those in power have a specific time in office and do not rule indefinitely, but their names will be recorded in history and will be constantly judged in the immediate and distant futures.
 
The people will scrutinize our presidencies.
 
Did we mange to bring peace, security and prosperity for the people or insecurity and unemployment? Did we intend to establish justice or just supported especial interest groups, and by forcing many people to live in poverty and hardship, made a few people rich and powerful – thus trading the approval of the people and the Almighty with theirs’? Did we defend the rights of the underprivileged or ignore them? Did we defend the rights of all people around the world or imposed wars on them, interfered illegally in their affairs, established hellish prisons and incarcerated some of them? [/b]Did we bring the world peace and security or raised the specter of intimidation and threats? Did we tell the truth to our nation and others around the world or presented an inverted version of it? Were we on the side of people or the occupiers and oppressors? Did our administrations set out to promote rational behavior, logic, ethics, peace, fulfilling obligations, justice, service to the people, prosperity, progress and respect for human dignity or the force of guns, intimidation, insecurity, disregard for the people, delaying the progress and excellence of other nations, and trample on people’s rights?[/b]And finally, they will judge us on whether we remained true to our oath of office – to serve the people, which is our main task, and the traditions of the prophets – or not?
 
Mr. President,
How much longer can the world tolerate this situation? Where will this trend lead the world? How long must the people of the world pay for the incorrect decisions of some rulers? How much longer will the specter of insecurity – raised from the stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction – hunt the people of the world? How much longer will the blood of the innocent men, women and children be spilled on the streets, and people’s houses destroyed over their heads? Are you pleased with the current condition of the world? Do you think present policies can continue? If billions of dollars spent on security, military campaigns and troop movement were instead spent on investment and assistance for poor countries, promotion of health, combating different diseases, education and improvement of mental and physical fitness, assistance to the victims of natural disasters, creation of employment opportunities and production, development projects and poverty alleviation, establishment of peace, mediation between disputing states, and extinguishing the flames of racial, ethnic and other conflicts, where would the world be today? Would not your government and people be justifiably proud? Would not your administration’s political and economic standing have been stronger? And I am most sorry to say, would there have been an ever increasing global hatred of the American government?
 
[..]
 
The God of all people in Europe, Asia, Africa, America, the Pacific and the rest of the world is one. He is the Almighty who wants to guide and give dignity to all His servants. He has given greatness to Humans.

[..]
 
Divine prophets have promised: The day will come when all humans will congregate before the court of the Almighty, so that their deeds are examined. The good will be directed towards Heaven and evildoers will meet divine retribution. I trust both of us believe in such a day, but it will not be easy to calculate the actions of rulers, because we must be answerable to our nations and all others whose lives have been directly or indirectly affected by our actions.
 
All prophets, speak of peace and tranquility for man – based on monotheism, justice and respect for human dignity.
 
Do you not think that if all of us come to believe in and abide by these principles, that is, monotheism, worship of God, justice, respect for the dignity of man, belief in the Last Day, we can overcome the present problems of the world – that are the result of disobedience to the Almighty and the teachings of prophets – and improve our performance? Do you not think that belief in these principles promotes and guarantees peace, friendship and justice? Do you not think that the aforementioned written or unwritten principles are universally respected? Will you not accept this invitation? That is, a genuine return to the teachings of prophets, to monotheism and justice, to preserve human dignity and obedience to the Almighty and His prophets?
 
History tells us that repressive and cruel governments do not survive. God has entrusted the fate of men to them. The Almighty has not left the universe and humanity to their own devices.
 
[..]
 
Can one deny the signs of change in the world today? Is the situation of the world today comparable to that of ten years ago? Changes happen fast and come at a furious pace.
 
The people of the world are not happy with the status quo and pay little heed to the promises and comments made by a number of influential world leaders. Many people around the world feel insecure and oppose the spreading of insecurity and war and do not approve of and accept dubious policies.
 
The people are protesting the increasing gap between the haves and the have-nots and the rich and poor countries.
 
The people are disgusted with increasing corruption.
 
The people of many countries are angry about the attacks on their cultural foundations and the disintegration of families. They are equally dismayed with the fading of care and compassion. The people of the world have no faith in international organizations, because their rights are not advocated by these organizations.

 
Liberalism and Western style democracy have not been able to help realize the ideals of humanity. Today these two concepts have failed. Those with insight can already hear the sounds of the shattering and fall of the ideology and thoughts of the Liberal democratic systems.
 
We increasingly see that people around the world are flocking towards a main focal point - that is the Almighty God. Undoubtedly through faith in God and the teachings of the prophets, the people will conquer their problems. My question for you is: “Do you not want to join them?”
 
Mr. President,
Whether we like it or not, the world is gravitating towards faith in the Almighty and justice and the will of God will prevail over all things.
 
Vasalam Ala Man Ataba’al hoda
Mahmood Ahmadi-Nejad
President of the Islamic Republic of Iran


Volledige Text
van Kettingloos
Om de waarheid te vinden, ga je voor jezelf op zoek. Naar jezelf. In jezelf.

Dit forum kan gratis blijven vanwege banners als deze. Door te registeren zal de onderstaande banner overigens verdwijnen.

#2

Chriis

    Chriis


  • >250 berichten
  • 664 berichten
  • Ervaren gebruiker

Geplaatst op 15 mei 2006 - 21:13

History tells us that repressive and cruel governments do not survive.

Ah, mooi zo. Wanneer stap je op?

(...)"Ahmadinejad," says the Iranian dissident, "is facing major problems domestically." What Jafarzadeh is referring to is the growing number of anti-government demonstrations and protests taking place in Iran. According to sources from inside the country, there were more than 4,000 anti-government demonstrations in Iran over the past year.(...)
Iran: Ahmadinejad's letter to Bush - Analysis - http://www.ncr-iran....t/view/1443/71/

(...) The Iranian president also complains that the United States is trying to block Iran's progress on a nuclear program that is the pride of its populace. But he doesn't propose any solution to the long standoff over his country's nuclear ambitions, and the letter offers no clear indication about Iran's plans. (...) "This letter does nothing at all to address the concerns of the international community, or that the international community has regarding the regime's nuclear program," White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan said. "The letter appears to be more about trying to change the subject." (...)
Letter Offers a Look Into Mind of Iran's Leader - http://www.latimes.c...l=la-home-world

#3

PNCO

    PNCO


  • >250 berichten
  • 657 berichten
  • Ervaren gebruiker

Geplaatst op 15 mei 2006 - 23:22

Haha vooral die van de LA Times is mooi..

maar goed, zo komen we natuurlijk ook niet verder.. het is toch eigenlijk te gek voor woorden dat dit zo maar kan gebeuren en dat wij ook nog eens first-range toeschouwers zijn is ook wel iets om over na te denken..

Bah.. ik hou niet van politieke spelletjes..
Om de waarheid te vinden, ga je voor jezelf op zoek. Naar jezelf. In jezelf.

#4

ratel

    ratel


  • 0 - 25 berichten
  • 25 berichten
  • Gebruiker

Geplaatst op 16 mei 2006 - 07:04

In de brief zitten toch een paar goede punten.

Trouwens hoe Iran haar interne zaken regelt, is haar eigen zaak; ‘s lands wijs ‘s lands eer. Sharia versus Patriot Act I&II… have your pick.
Pas als Iran een ECHTE bedreiging zou gaan vormen voor andere landen, dan kan er internationaal en met een BREED gedragen mandaat opgetreden worden. Geen unilateraal cowboy-gedoe van de VS dus. De eventuele instabiliteit van Iran valt ook nog eens in het niet bij de bewezen agressie van de V.S.

Op dit moment is er maar een land met kernwapens dat zich agressief en actief militair opstelt naar anderen toe en dat is Israel. Pakistan en India zitten al grotendeels in de zak van de VS (Pakistan krijgt zelfs atoomhulp terwijl het niet eens het non-proliferatieverdrag heeft ondertekend).Brazilie is trouwens al veel verder dan Iran.

Mensen moeten mij hier eens proberen duidelijk uit te leggen wat voor concrete bedreiging Iran vormt voor de Westerse gemeenschap en dat even afzetten tegen de fijna acties van de VS van de laatste 4 decennia.

#5

Assassinator

    Assassinator


  • >1k berichten
  • 4546 berichten
  • Ervaren gebruiker

Geplaatst op 16 mei 2006 - 09:00

Op dit moment is er maar een land met kernwapens dat zich agressief en actief militair opstelt naar anderen toe en dat is Israel.

oja? en amerika zelf dan? ze hebben zelf gezegt dat ze een nuclaire aanval niet uitsluiten, en zij zijn ook degene die als enige nog kernwapens daadwerkelijk hebben gebruikt.
'The universe has a way of not caring about what you believe.'

- Robert Heinlein -

#6

ratel

    ratel


  • 0 - 25 berichten
  • 25 berichten
  • Gebruiker

Geplaatst op 16 mei 2006 - 12:47

Op dit moment is er maar een land met kernwapens dat zich agressief en actief militair in het Midden Oosten opstelt naar anderen toe en dat is Israel.

oja? en amerika zelf dan? ze hebben zelf gezegt dat ze een nuclaire aanval niet uitsluiten, en zij zijn ook degene die als enige nog kernwapens daadwerkelijk hebben gebruikt.


Ik zie dat ik de woorden ``Midden-Oosten`` ben vergeten. De V.S is een aantal graden erger (Hirosjima, Nagasaki, DU munitie (Irak, Joegoslavie, Afghanistan, wellicht Iran).

#7

nabz

    nabz


  • >100 berichten
  • 150 berichten
  • Verbannen

Geplaatst op 16 mei 2006 - 19:04

Een vraagje hoor.

Wat is een president?
Het is kiezen en delen,
maar toch kiezen er velen
Die kiezen kiezen boven delen vandaar dat er velen verliezen!

#8

PNCO

    PNCO


  • >250 berichten
  • 657 berichten
  • Ervaren gebruiker

Geplaatst op 16 mei 2006 - 19:52

Een vraagje hoor.

Wat is een president?


In het licht van autoriteit of zo? Hoe moet ik deze vraag zien?
Om de waarheid te vinden, ga je voor jezelf op zoek. Naar jezelf. In jezelf.

#9

oktagon

    oktagon


  • >1k berichten
  • 4502 berichten
  • Verbannen

Geplaatst op 19 mei 2006 - 11:49

Om een oordeel te geven op de brief van de Iraanse president,moet je wel heel goed ingevoerd zijn in de cultuur van het MiddenOosten en in dit geval van Perzie (Iran) om erachter te komen,wat de president van Iran bedoelt met het schrijven van die brief aan GWB.(dus Bush!)
En die Iranier heeft ook zijn raadgevers,maar met wrs.een sterk religieuze achtergrond en GWB heeft de zijne met een wellicht minder fundamentele Christelijke achtergrond en wrs.weinig begrip van het Midden Oosten.

Mogelijk is het de bedoeling van Iran om op deze manier voorzichtig in gesprek te komen om GWB af te houden van militair geweld,maar alsnog vraag ik me dan af of Iran onder de huidige religieuze leiding geen agressieve/expansionistische bedoelingen heeft ter meerdere glorie van Allah (of Mohammed ofwel de president zelf)

Wat is bedoeling,heeft dit richting buitenland een andere dan naar het binnenland voor het eigen publiek?
Hier zitten we ook weer met hogere politiek,waaruit veel onheil kan voortkomen,meer dan de parlementaire consternatie met Rita en Ayaan,die hooguit wat binnenlandse politieke schade kan aanrichten.

Het onderwerp dat hier werd ingebracht is niet een die met enkele simpele bewoordingen kan worden beoordeeld,zelfs een mening van de vm. Iraanse hoogleraar in Nederland kan niet zonder meer direct worden overgenomen omdat die weer is beinvloed door zijn afkomst uit hogere Iraanse kringen,hoewel deze man- ik ben zijn naam kwijt-mij zeer redelijk overkomt en Iraanse en MO- toestanden beter kan beoordelen dan menig Westerling.

#10

de grijze muis

    de grijze muis


  • >1k berichten
  • 1168 berichten
  • Ervaren gebruiker

Geplaatst op 19 mei 2006 - 13:53

.....   vm. Iraanse hoogleraar in Nederland .......,hoewel deze man- ik ben zijn naam kwijt-mij zeer redelijk overkomt en Iraanse en MO- toestanden beter kan beoordelen dan menig Westerling.

Bedoel je soms Afshin Ellian? www.denaaktewaarheid.web-log.nl
Nooit meer vergeten, he.

#11

oktagon

    oktagon


  • >1k berichten
  • 4502 berichten
  • Verbannen

Geplaatst op 20 mei 2006 - 22:52

DGM,je bent niet leuk door dit soort schoolmeesterachtige opmerkingen.Of is dit soms bedoeld als een studentikoze opmerking,dan zou het aan je puberale leeftijd kunnen liggen en moet je deze reactie maar vergeten!





0 gebruiker(s) lezen dit onderwerp

0 leden, 0 bezoekers, 0 anonieme gebruikers

Ook adverteren op onze website? Lees hier meer!

Gesponsorde vacatures

Vacatures